My place in this argument is still firmly on the side of no ToL cool down. I posted over on the long, long, thread about it, and I actually got quoted a bit. Here are some of my comments and responses, with a list of why I just hate the idea below.

Q u o t e:
I really think all druid forms should be cooldowns, using the same argument being applied to ToL.


That would be even worse than just ToL form. We have abilities we can only use in bear/cat form. I already hate the fact that ToL is becoming another stupid gimmick, don’t change the rest of them. <-me

People here are summing it up really well. Tree of Life is our FORM. We do not need to DPS, we need to heal! Tree of Life makes it so we can’t dps, yes. If you want to dps than go feral or moonkin, don’t go hating on the fact you can’t dps in a HEALING form. <- me

Q u o t e:
Tree of Life is being changed because resto needs to sacrifice balance spells and utility to heal as well as everyone else.

Moonkin Form is fine because balance druids sacrifice healing to be closer to pure classes. Every other hybrid sacrifice healing, either by being in a restrictive form (see Shadowform) or not having enough mana to support it (ret paladins/enh shaman).


Being able to see you gear is side effect of the change, not a cause.


See above.
We have no reason to be dpsing in raids.
Do not screw over the raiders. <-me

Okay, I’m going to sum up some of what the annoyed resto druids are saying .
-This is a PvP nerf
-The reason ToL is being removed is to look at our armor and everything else could be changed while keeping ToL.
-The people who are saying they are glad it’s gone are mainly non-druids, or feral/balance druids.
-We are druids we shapeshift . Our forms is what sets us apart, and it’s an iconic part of the class.
-You’re taking away ToL so we get to look at our armor, but you’re not doing anything about moonkins or bear/cat, where you ALSO don’t see armor. WTH?
– Another on the armor side- It’s ugly, we don’t really want to look at it.
-We rolled to experience all the forms, and if we wanted to see armor we would roll priests/shamans/paladins.
-There’s the basic emotional response of “You’re taking something AWAY from us, and not GIVING us anything! And you think we will forget? That we will FORGIVE?” <-me

(I might have altered a quote from that guy at the Wrath Gate)

Q u o t e:
-We rolled to experience all the forms, and if we wanted to see armor we would roll priests/shamans/paladins. <me


Be careful. With this reasoning, you’ll attract all the druids that say they’ve been healing since Vanilla and don’t need any stupid form. When they can’t seem to realize that they are now the minority, and the majority of resto druids around now have only ever healed with ToL.  <-Lakeshumi


Q u o t e:

Be careful. With this reasoning, you’ll attract all the druids that say they’ve been healing since Vanilla and don’t need any stupid form. When they can’t seem to realize that they are now the minority, and the majority of resto druids around now have only ever healed with ToL.

Edit: Quote fail. <-Lakeshumi


My husband and I have been chatting about the druid changes (hes resto mainly and I am mainly feral). We are both coming to the fairly scary posibility that blizz wants to give us presences instead actualy form changes. So presence of cat/bear/moonkin, and the actual forms will be changed to that of what they want to do with the ToL. An on use ‘trinket’ to boost a specific area in the spec. In essence, killing the druid class entirely. If what they are aiming for is every class just like other classes. This would be the logical course in that case. <-Kyniska

Q u o t e:

My husband and I have been chatting about the druid changes (hes resto mainly and I am mainly feral). We are both coming to the fairly scary posibility that blizz wants to give us presences instead actualy form changes. So presence of cat/bear/moonkin, and the actual forms will be changed to that of what they want to do with the ToL. An on use ‘trinket’ to boost a specific area in the spec. In essence, killing the druid class entirely. If what they are aiming for is every class just like other classes. This would be the logical course in that case. <Kyniska


Oh no. No no no no no. That would definitely kill the whole idea of a shapeshifting druid. We were made to shift, and you’re right, this looks like it is leaning in that direction. <-me

Q u o t e:

I know it would 😦

To equalise what they are doing to the trees, perhaps they should take the hunters pets away and make them into an on use ‘trinket’ to buff their dps, equalising the hunters actual dps so that they wouldnt actually be ‘losing anything’. A ‘Call of the Beast’ on use ability with a CD. That would only be fair. <-Kyn again


Rofl. That does seem like what they are doing to us, doesn’t it? It really sucks, and I can only hope Blizzard will change their minds. I rolled a druid because I wanted to shift, not to have my forms a gimmick like a trinket.<-me

(I’m adding to this as I write in the list.)

Q u o t e:

I’m thinking the same thing. It doesn’t make sense to remove tree form for the reasons given without also removing moonkin. I could easily see bear and cat going as well, in favor of some kind of “spirit channeling” type of thing. <-Mishotem


If all of our forms went, 99% of druids would drop WoW right then and there.

Edit: Alienea (sp?) I’m stealing your signature.< Lorellell

Q u o t e:

If all of our forms went, 99% of druids would drop WoW right then and there.

Edit: Alienea (sp?) I’m stealing your signature.<Lorellell


Go ahead, steal it. I know I would stop if they changed all our forms. I’d just have to put 36 levels on my shaman and I’d have a new main. Well, 41 with cata. I’m beginning to wonder if blizz is even reading this thread anymore, though. <-me


Q u o t e:
So Tol is gone so ppl can go
“OO Lokz at mah shizy phat lotz!” in the middle of a raid as ppl drop like flies sinces their staring at their armor instead of healing ppl?
FAIL!

So Tol is gone so ppl can go
Ohh look i can dps now when i heal! …. Umm Weren’t the change to stats in cata made to force healers to work more and as more a HEALING team? (More damage, less regain,ect) If thats so where as going to be getting mana or time to work in a dps rotation in the middle of healing?
FAIL!

So Tol is gone so ppl can go
Wow, i’m so happy Tol is gone and i can heal in caster form without have to use that ugly tree form! (There are now almost 180 pages of people complaining about lossing that “ugly” form!)
FAIL!

So Tol is gone so ppl can go
Hurray we’re not tied to a form that does nothing but give us a passive boost with no real abilities!
(yet Boomkin and Shadowform remain neither of which grant any special abilities.)
FAIL!

So Tol is gone cuz GC said

Q u o t e:
) Hey, maybe staying in a single form all the time isn’t really that good for the class

So yeah why are moonkin,bear and cat not being change into caster form as well and just given crazy “I AM BEAR! RAWR! for 15sec on a c/d ? Hmm?
FAIL!

So Tol is gone cuz GC said

Q u o t e:
said this before, but we don’t think giving up everything (hyperbole, but you get the idea) to go into a dps form is that big a sacrifice, because you’re being compared to and presumably want to fill the role of classes and specs that do nothing but dps.

But the same doesn’t hold true for healing? As a resto druid i want to be compared to and fill the role of a class and spec that does nothing but healing (priest) and umm when is the last time u saw ur holy priest layeth the smite down? hmm?
FAIL!

If lossing ToL is a must and looks like it is can i atleast get the real reason why it being changed? <-unknown


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And now, for something completely  different. A List.

-This is a PvP nerf

No, seriously. We can’t be polymorphed, we have armor, and we heal. It was very hard to get us out of the picture because of HoTs and such. But guess what? Other classes are also hard to get out of the picture. (Except for squishy mages/priests. Lol squishy. And they could be hard also, if they were good.) Blizzard is just trying to disguise this as a PvE nerf. Well, they want it to be a buff, but guess what? It’s a nerf, taking away our static form it make it into a trinket-like CD.
-The reason ToL is being removed is to look at our armor and everything else could be changed while keeping ToL.

This seems oh-so-likely. They could hit ToL with the nerf bat instead of taking it away. We don’t need to DPS in raids, guys. We’re there to HEAL. The only time I dpsed in a raid was Onyxia, with all the whelps. I used Hurricane. And then I never did it again, because they all came to kill me.
-The people who are saying they are glad it’s gone are mainly non-druids, or feral/balance druids.

Also true. Look around the forum thread and you’ll see that the resto druids that are happy it’s gone are a minority. Now why would Blizz please the feral/balance druids about something that’s not their spec unless they had an underlying motive? Kyniska seems eerily close to a truth.
-We are druids we shapeshift . Our forms is what sets us apart, and it’s an iconic part of the class.

Yes! YES! I rolled to shapeshift! I rolled to be able to turn into a cat and a bear and a tree and a moonkin! Of course, I stuck with bear through BC, and then picked up tree in WoLK and loved it. Blizz is taking away a very important part of the restoration spec.
-You’re taking away ToL so we get to look at our armor, but you’re not doing anything about moonkins or bear/cat, where you ALSO don’t see armor. WTH?

Think about it, Blizz. Think. You’re targeting restoration druids here, not the other specs. Why are you hitting resto like that? We really loved where we were in the majority of us.
– Another on the armor side- It’s ugly, we don’t really want to look at it.

NO for srs, Blizz! Our armor is REALLY UGLY. DON’T MAKE US LOOK AT IT. And the stuff from TotC is just differently colored rogue gear.
-We rolled to experience all the forms, and if we wanted to see armor we would roll priests/shamans/paladins.

Yeah. Yeah. We rolled to shapeshift.  Not to go “ooo looky I can change into a tree for X seconds and then go back to ugly armor me!”
-There’s the basic emotional response of “You’re taking something AWAY from us, and not GIVING us anything! And you think we will forget? That we will FORGIVE?”

Honestly. We get no new toys to play with at all. And then Blizzard takes away ToL. I know we’re “in a good place right now.” If we were in a good place, then WHY, oh WHY, did you take ToL form away, Blizz?

Edit: The thread started April 08. It’s now April 11th. CONTROVERSY!

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