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Raid Mindset

So, on Sat night, we went in. After a ton of wipes in phase 1, and one in phase 2 (that was in between the phase 1 wipes) We killed Rhyloith. And to paraphrase our Raid Leader: “Why the f*** can’t you do this all the time?! I just saw you take Rhyloith down so smoothly Casually Addicted”, the top guild on our server,”would be jealous! And yet we’ve wiped to stupid s*** on other attempts. F*** switch are you all throwing to do stuff like this?” He’s constantly saying stuff like that. And, well, he has a point. We can go into Firelands, and for some reason on all the good attempts, everything goes smoothly. We’re communicating, we’re not standing in anything, we’re stacking or not stacking and getting everything down correctly and the dps range from 16-24k. I saw that on Shannox and Lord Rhy-Rhy, and, well, I agree with our raidleader.

We’re not in a raid mindset on the wipes. And when we are, we are quite capable of beating down anything we d*mn well want to with only a few attempts. I’m not sure why sometimes, the switch flips and we suddenly become, again steal words from Jjesse’s mouth, Paragon, or any top guild.  I wish I knew how to make sure that in Firelands, it was always switched. It’s quite frustrating to wipe to Beth’tilac time after time– after we’ve seen her at 2% and if she just hadn’t eaten one spiderling, she’d be dead. We had to call it. WTF!?

So, I look at my healing. I look at who I’m healing, my overhealing, my HoT uptime, my activity, who died when. I’m proud to say that the part of the raid I heal is highly unlikely to die first. It happened once twice tonight, on a dozen or so wipes. One time, the spiderling killer was out of range, and one time I just didn’t get to the person fast enough, and I’m beating myself up about that. If they’d been alive, would we have had the kill? I try to make sure that I AM in raid mentality. That I AM doing everything I possibly can. That I’m bringing potions, cookies, flasks. Even though the guild provides feasts and cauldrons, we can run out of feasts. We all need to farm more. I try to use my warlock cookies, and I try to use tranquility every time I can use it and still have it when I need it. I’m certain there’s something I could do better. Maybe some reforging, I know that I’m not quite at a haste breakpoint and so I should either reforge to get to it or reforge to other stats until I can reach it. I give my innervate to other people. I still get 10% mana, and I have the luxury to potion of concentration, they don’t.

I know my raid group can kill the bosses when they’re in raid mentality. It really annoys me that sometimes, we’re not.

I know I did everything I could think of at the time, and it wasn’t enough to kill the boss. I know it’s not all on me. But f*** it, I feel like it is.

….After all, don’t you know it’s always the healer’s fault?

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Yessssss. Blog post time… *watches downloader* oh, yeah, blog post.

TO DO LIST:

Respec Druid, Shaman, Death Knight, Priest, Warlock, Hunter. Check other realms, respec paladin.

 

Druid: Feral/90%sure Resto. Although, I might just leave it blank or not log back on to my druid. She’s logged in Tree form, dancing with her tedrassil sproutling. Oh, who am I kidding, I love my druid, and I love healing and faceripping. Feral/Resto she is!

I’m going with this for feral and this for resto. Feral is focused more on leveling, while resto is still orientated towards healing groups, still. I’m going to grab furor as I level her in cata in resto– who could pass up 15% more mana?

 

Shaman: Resto/Something. Ehn has WOLVES. *cough* And she’s lost riptide to my great annoyance, because I was loving having a HoT to use on her.

 

Death Knight: Blood. She’s my RP char, and although I’ve moved a bit away from her blood-hysteria rage, I’ve been building towards having her get a bit more violent again, because frost and unholy is something the other 2 people are, and we don’t really WANT to switch. I love rune tap too much to give it up like that.

 

Priest: Lvl 8(or)13. PEW PEW LAZERS! I made the mistake of putting point in holy on my lvl 13 priest, but now she’s going to have lazers, and so will my lvl 8 priest when she gets to 10. Although furbolgs just LOVE to eat her.

 

Warlock: Always been a demonologist on her, and she’s staying that way. Felguard!

 

Hunter: Beast Mastery! MY hunter has always been BM and she’ll always be BM.

 

Paladin: Gosh, I think I have a paladin I’m not really sure, but she’s going to go healer or tank. Healer… and I’d have one alt of every healer… tank.. and I’d have a tank. I’ll think about it.

 

Everyone: Have fun with patch 4.01, but remember to mourn the trees!

First off, thanks to Ambrosine of I Like Bubbles for giving me the idea for this blog post. She talked about cooldowns, and used Innervate as an example, leading to this post.

Also: This… will be ranty

So, without further ado, I give you Innervate: When, Where, and Why.

Innervate: Causes the target to regenerate mana equal to 225% of the casting druid’s base mana pool over 10 seconds. 3 minute cooldown.

Glyph of Innervate: Innervate now grants the caster 45% of his/her base mana pool over 10 seconds in addition to the normal effects of Innervate.

Cool! Druids can regen their mana, lovely. However, notice that ’causes the target‘ to regenerate mana? Sometimes druids are asked to save their Innervate for someone else. If they don’t have their own mana giving device, well, okay. Especially if you know you don’t need it my precious you can’t have my precious GOLLUM. However, if you’re OOM and you have a mana regen device you haven’t used, do NOT ask your neighborhood tree for their innervate. If there is a kitty, go ahead and ask. We don’t need it. DO NOT ASK YOUR BEAR TANK. WE CANNOT SWITCH OUT WITHOUT GIVING OUR HEALER A HEART ATTACK. Your Moonkin is a alternative if you’ve asked them beforehand so they’ve planned around it.

When to use Innervate: Raids and Heroics on Boss fights or during a facepull. Arenas… Um… I DON’T KNOW GO ASK A PVPER!!!

Raids: Use it when all of it will be put to use and not wasted. That’s one of my pet peeves, seriously. Don’t use it because ‘oh hey, 70% mana…’. Use it because ‘hey, I’ve got really low mana, and the end of the fight’s not coming soon.’ G’lord people, don’t use it when you’re only getting 10% of the effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heroics: Just use it on boss fights when you need the mana, or if you are in Halls of Reflection/Violet Hold. Basically: Anytime where you need the mana NOW and you can’t drink really soon. In between pulls, they can wait for you to drink, honest! If they don’t, then they are bad, not you.

Arenas: UM WHEN YOU NEED TO GOSH.

Where: Raids, Heroics…. Um…. for the pretty glowwy  effects in roleplay….

Why: Because you need the ©ø∂嵘´∂ ƒ¨ç˚ˆ˜© mana! Not because ‘oh look that person hasn’t used all their cooldowns yet let’s save them one’! Nonono, you need your cooldown, they have their own, shoo, shoo, go heal!

Sidenote: Use rejuvenation. USE IT ALWAYS! DO NOT SAY ‘Bah, Nourish is better’. Okay, okay, you have your (Wrong) opinion… but rejuv makes nourish BETTER SO USE IT. ALSO REGROWTH IS GOOD!!!!!

P.S. Beware the druid known as Packa. He is a fail healer who believes that rejuv is a ‘haha, maybe sometimes’ spell.

A more rational response.

My place in this argument is still firmly on the side of no ToL cool down. I posted over on the long, long, thread about it, and I actually got quoted a bit. Here are some of my comments and responses, with a list of why I just hate the idea below.

Q u o t e:
I really think all druid forms should be cooldowns, using the same argument being applied to ToL.


That would be even worse than just ToL form. We have abilities we can only use in bear/cat form. I already hate the fact that ToL is becoming another stupid gimmick, don’t change the rest of them. <-me

People here are summing it up really well. Tree of Life is our FORM. We do not need to DPS, we need to heal! Tree of Life makes it so we can’t dps, yes. If you want to dps than go feral or moonkin, don’t go hating on the fact you can’t dps in a HEALING form. <- me

Q u o t e:
Tree of Life is being changed because resto needs to sacrifice balance spells and utility to heal as well as everyone else.

Moonkin Form is fine because balance druids sacrifice healing to be closer to pure classes. Every other hybrid sacrifice healing, either by being in a restrictive form (see Shadowform) or not having enough mana to support it (ret paladins/enh shaman).


Being able to see you gear is side effect of the change, not a cause.


See above.
We have no reason to be dpsing in raids.
Do not screw over the raiders. <-me

Okay, I’m going to sum up some of what the annoyed resto druids are saying .
-This is a PvP nerf
-The reason ToL is being removed is to look at our armor and everything else could be changed while keeping ToL.
-The people who are saying they are glad it’s gone are mainly non-druids, or feral/balance druids.
-We are druids we shapeshift . Our forms is what sets us apart, and it’s an iconic part of the class.
-You’re taking away ToL so we get to look at our armor, but you’re not doing anything about moonkins or bear/cat, where you ALSO don’t see armor. WTH?
– Another on the armor side- It’s ugly, we don’t really want to look at it.
-We rolled to experience all the forms, and if we wanted to see armor we would roll priests/shamans/paladins.
-There’s the basic emotional response of “You’re taking something AWAY from us, and not GIVING us anything! And you think we will forget? That we will FORGIVE?” <-me

(I might have altered a quote from that guy at the Wrath Gate)

Q u o t e:
-We rolled to experience all the forms, and if we wanted to see armor we would roll priests/shamans/paladins. <me


Be careful. With this reasoning, you’ll attract all the druids that say they’ve been healing since Vanilla and don’t need any stupid form. When they can’t seem to realize that they are now the minority, and the majority of resto druids around now have only ever healed with ToL.  <-Lakeshumi


Q u o t e:

Be careful. With this reasoning, you’ll attract all the druids that say they’ve been healing since Vanilla and don’t need any stupid form. When they can’t seem to realize that they are now the minority, and the majority of resto druids around now have only ever healed with ToL.

Edit: Quote fail. <-Lakeshumi


My husband and I have been chatting about the druid changes (hes resto mainly and I am mainly feral). We are both coming to the fairly scary posibility that blizz wants to give us presences instead actualy form changes. So presence of cat/bear/moonkin, and the actual forms will be changed to that of what they want to do with the ToL. An on use ‘trinket’ to boost a specific area in the spec. In essence, killing the druid class entirely. If what they are aiming for is every class just like other classes. This would be the logical course in that case. <-Kyniska

Q u o t e:

My husband and I have been chatting about the druid changes (hes resto mainly and I am mainly feral). We are both coming to the fairly scary posibility that blizz wants to give us presences instead actualy form changes. So presence of cat/bear/moonkin, and the actual forms will be changed to that of what they want to do with the ToL. An on use ‘trinket’ to boost a specific area in the spec. In essence, killing the druid class entirely. If what they are aiming for is every class just like other classes. This would be the logical course in that case. <Kyniska


Oh no. No no no no no. That would definitely kill the whole idea of a shapeshifting druid. We were made to shift, and you’re right, this looks like it is leaning in that direction. <-me

Q u o t e:

I know it would 😦

To equalise what they are doing to the trees, perhaps they should take the hunters pets away and make them into an on use ‘trinket’ to buff their dps, equalising the hunters actual dps so that they wouldnt actually be ‘losing anything’. A ‘Call of the Beast’ on use ability with a CD. That would only be fair. <-Kyn again


Rofl. That does seem like what they are doing to us, doesn’t it? It really sucks, and I can only hope Blizzard will change their minds. I rolled a druid because I wanted to shift, not to have my forms a gimmick like a trinket.<-me

(I’m adding to this as I write in the list.)

Q u o t e:

I’m thinking the same thing. It doesn’t make sense to remove tree form for the reasons given without also removing moonkin. I could easily see bear and cat going as well, in favor of some kind of “spirit channeling” type of thing. <-Mishotem


If all of our forms went, 99% of druids would drop WoW right then and there.

Edit: Alienea (sp?) I’m stealing your signature.< Lorellell

Q u o t e:

If all of our forms went, 99% of druids would drop WoW right then and there.

Edit: Alienea (sp?) I’m stealing your signature.<Lorellell


Go ahead, steal it. I know I would stop if they changed all our forms. I’d just have to put 36 levels on my shaman and I’d have a new main. Well, 41 with cata. I’m beginning to wonder if blizz is even reading this thread anymore, though. <-me


Q u o t e:
So Tol is gone so ppl can go
“OO Lokz at mah shizy phat lotz!” in the middle of a raid as ppl drop like flies sinces their staring at their armor instead of healing ppl?
FAIL!

So Tol is gone so ppl can go
Ohh look i can dps now when i heal! …. Umm Weren’t the change to stats in cata made to force healers to work more and as more a HEALING team? (More damage, less regain,ect) If thats so where as going to be getting mana or time to work in a dps rotation in the middle of healing?
FAIL!

So Tol is gone so ppl can go
Wow, i’m so happy Tol is gone and i can heal in caster form without have to use that ugly tree form! (There are now almost 180 pages of people complaining about lossing that “ugly” form!)
FAIL!

So Tol is gone so ppl can go
Hurray we’re not tied to a form that does nothing but give us a passive boost with no real abilities!
(yet Boomkin and Shadowform remain neither of which grant any special abilities.)
FAIL!

So Tol is gone cuz GC said

Q u o t e:
) Hey, maybe staying in a single form all the time isn’t really that good for the class

So yeah why are moonkin,bear and cat not being change into caster form as well and just given crazy “I AM BEAR! RAWR! for 15sec on a c/d ? Hmm?
FAIL!

So Tol is gone cuz GC said

Q u o t e:
said this before, but we don’t think giving up everything (hyperbole, but you get the idea) to go into a dps form is that big a sacrifice, because you’re being compared to and presumably want to fill the role of classes and specs that do nothing but dps.

But the same doesn’t hold true for healing? As a resto druid i want to be compared to and fill the role of a class and spec that does nothing but healing (priest) and umm when is the last time u saw ur holy priest layeth the smite down? hmm?
FAIL!

If lossing ToL is a must and looks like it is can i atleast get the real reason why it being changed? <-unknown


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And now, for something completely  different. A List.

-This is a PvP nerf

No, seriously. We can’t be polymorphed, we have armor, and we heal. It was very hard to get us out of the picture because of HoTs and such. But guess what? Other classes are also hard to get out of the picture. (Except for squishy mages/priests. Lol squishy. And they could be hard also, if they were good.) Blizzard is just trying to disguise this as a PvE nerf. Well, they want it to be a buff, but guess what? It’s a nerf, taking away our static form it make it into a trinket-like CD.
-The reason ToL is being removed is to look at our armor and everything else could be changed while keeping ToL.

This seems oh-so-likely. They could hit ToL with the nerf bat instead of taking it away. We don’t need to DPS in raids, guys. We’re there to HEAL. The only time I dpsed in a raid was Onyxia, with all the whelps. I used Hurricane. And then I never did it again, because they all came to kill me.
-The people who are saying they are glad it’s gone are mainly non-druids, or feral/balance druids.

Also true. Look around the forum thread and you’ll see that the resto druids that are happy it’s gone are a minority. Now why would Blizz please the feral/balance druids about something that’s not their spec unless they had an underlying motive? Kyniska seems eerily close to a truth.
-We are druids we shapeshift . Our forms is what sets us apart, and it’s an iconic part of the class.

Yes! YES! I rolled to shapeshift! I rolled to be able to turn into a cat and a bear and a tree and a moonkin! Of course, I stuck with bear through BC, and then picked up tree in WoLK and loved it. Blizz is taking away a very important part of the restoration spec.
-You’re taking away ToL so we get to look at our armor, but you’re not doing anything about moonkins or bear/cat, where you ALSO don’t see armor. WTH?

Think about it, Blizz. Think. You’re targeting restoration druids here, not the other specs. Why are you hitting resto like that? We really loved where we were in the majority of us.
– Another on the armor side- It’s ugly, we don’t really want to look at it.

NO for srs, Blizz! Our armor is REALLY UGLY. DON’T MAKE US LOOK AT IT. And the stuff from TotC is just differently colored rogue gear.
-We rolled to experience all the forms, and if we wanted to see armor we would roll priests/shamans/paladins.

Yeah. Yeah. We rolled to shapeshift.  Not to go “ooo looky I can change into a tree for X seconds and then go back to ugly armor me!”
-There’s the basic emotional response of “You’re taking something AWAY from us, and not GIVING us anything! And you think we will forget? That we will FORGIVE?”

Honestly. We get no new toys to play with at all. And then Blizzard takes away ToL. I know we’re “in a good place right now.” If we were in a good place, then WHY, oh WHY, did you take ToL form away, Blizz?

Edit: The thread started April 08. It’s now April 11th. CONTROVERSY!

Blizzard? I don’t like you either.


Q u o t e:

  • Tree of Life is changing from a passive talent to a cooldown-based talent, similar to Metamorphosis. Mechanically, it feels unfair for a druid to have to give up so much offense and utility in order to be just as good at healing as the other classes who are not asked to make that trade. We are exploring the exact benefit the druid gets from Tree of Life. It could strictly be better healing, or it could be that each heal behaves slightly different. You also will not be able to be banished in Tree of Life form (this will probably be true of Metamorphosis as well). Additionally, we would like to update the Tree of Life model so that it feels more exciting when you do decide to go into that form. Our feeling is that druids rarely actually get to show off their armor, so it would be nice to have at least one spec that looked like a night elf or tauren (and soon troll or worgen) for most of the time.

  • No. Just NO. Please say you’re kidding, please say that this as all some cruel joke. I love my tree of life form! People can look at it and say that I’m a healer! Don’t make it a stupid gimmick. We don’t need to be able to use damage spells. We’re healing. We need our mana to HEAL. And-and other druid forms can’t see their armor, and you’re targeting my tree form? People complain about the big bear butts more! if you take away our, well, not-so-pretty form, we’re a regular person who can’t heal as well and have had our iconic symbol taken away. We will become broken inside! We have our niche, and after Ghostcrawler saying that you’re happy where we are, why are you taking away our non-broken, fun, iconic ability? Why?

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    Just change the model if you want it to look cooler. But at least give me a choice. I think this is stupid, and when I’m not so angry about this I’ll compose a list of whys. In the meantime, Bellwether or 4haelz has done a very good job of listing why we should NOT have it on a cooldown.

    A tale of Haste.

    Once a druid was almost at the haste cap. She strived for the one second global cooldown, and she had almost reached it. She had haste gems socketed in and some haste from her gear, but then patch 3.3 dropped… and lo, the haste cap was suddenly much higher! And there was much gnashing of bark and wailing of one tree, for suddenly much more haste was required! And she still strived for haste, and bemoaned the fact that the upgrades that dropped for her had nigh on no haste, but much spellpower, and she now had so much spellpower that it was pouring out of her bark. She bought more haste gems, and got the guild jewelcrafter to work on getting the recipe so that she would only have to buy the raw, uncut gems. But haste still avoided her, and she beat the wall of the Dalaran bank in frustration. The new 5-man dungeons never popped up for her as a random heroic, and therefore no lovely nummy hastey items were gotten. She wailed in frustration as her heals landed just to late, and she haunted the auction house for the recipe so that the guild jewelcrafter could make epic haste gems. To this day, if you listen careful around the bank and the auction houses, and even sometimes in dungeons after someone dies, you can hear the sound of leaves rustling in the wind, and of an ent, sobbing softly as more people die.